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Lisa Lopez (GUEST)
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sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/12/2009 12:22 PM
So I'm not having the fabulous results with the glue mixes and hair gel mixes. They seem to dry the henna out in about 1 hour, then it begins to peel back from the skin like a sticker. Maybe the dry NM climate?
I'm waiting for an order of the gilding, with hopes that can solve the" wrapping people like mummies at festivals and parties" issue.
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Lisa Lopez (GUEST)
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/12/2009 03:11 PM
Mahalo! I've been feeling that I prefer the lemon sugar anyway, but the sparkles are so pretty! I do have dark henna results, and have found that more sugar is sweeter(pun intended!)
I can leave the choice up to the client if the glitter mix from Mehandi has the same peeling results. If they want it to not be dark or last too long, they can have the glue seal.
I'm finding most people(the henna virgins) say they don't want it to last long until it is on them for a few minutes. Then they fall in love with the henna and change their minds, wanting it to be as dark and last as long as possible.
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Lisa Lopez (GUEST)
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/12/2009 10:37 PM
Oh-did I say glitter? I meant the Sheherazade gilding as a sealer, right? or am i misreading the catalogue? I'm looking to using that as a sealer instead of the lemon-sugar-cotton -plastic wrap-combo. Yes?
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/13/2009 05:09 AM
Yes, it works as a sealer - not overly robust, but it works. You do realise it's simply Temptu body paint? I kinda smacked myself in the forehead when mine arrived.
I tend to use it only on small portions of a design and glue-seal the rest for festivals. If an entire design is sealed with it, it just becomes a big (colourful!) blob and doesn't help so much with advertising for me as people walk around.
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lisa Lopez (GUEST)
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/13/2009 09:18 AM
"4. Paint Scheherazade gilding over the dry henna. Scheherazade will seal the henna."
is what it says on the web page. Maybe it's time for some editing?
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LadyTetsu
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/13/2009 01:51 PM
I've heard rumors lately about Aquanet hairspray - but ONLY the kind in a white can will work to seal, I haven't tried it yet but I'm going to. . . please, whoever told me that, pipe up, I forgot who did and I don't want to steal the credit!
Scheherazade and temptu will seal henna, true, but as somebody else pointed out, it's not a nuclear-strength seal, and it involves a good deal of extra work that isn't really practical in a speed-slinging setting. Believe it or not, just plain glitter REALLY does have an effect - the client thinks it's extra pretty so they take more care, and I swear the coating of tiny little plastic particles acts like a shield or something and keeps the stuff in place a little longer.
I'm trying to come up with a skin-safe vegan friendly non-lj mistable sealer. . . I've got a few odds and ends in the pipeline, but nothing exciting yet. . .
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kendraw00
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/13/2009 02:57 PM
I've done the Aquanet white can aerosol hairspray, and while it does seal, I also don't think that it helps the stain any. The lemonsugar is the best for helping the stain along on the skin.
The other option, which takes a little time but can be worth it, is if the henna is dry, you can dab on elmers clear school glue and lightly spread it over the design. That is what I use sometmies when I am sleeping in my henna. don't get a drop on the bed, and when you peel it off in the morning, the henna paste comes with the glue. I don't know if it would be worth it at festivals, but you could try. If you can't do the Lemon juice/sugar, then I think your best bet is the aqua net hairspray.
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Blurberrybuzz
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/13/2009 06:44 PM
I use the aqua net hairspray in the white can for sealing on cold and wet days. It works a dream in those conditions. Otherwise, I use lemon sugar spray in a misting bottle. I got hooked on the Henna Caravan sealant and then started making my own. Works well and I have not had a bug problem. I pull out the tape or aquanet just for yucky weather now. I know of other artists who use the glue method for festivals, but they also have a fan drying system and don't let the client leave until the glue is dry. For me, glue seemed to make my stain a bit weaker than just leaving it be.
I also prefer fructose in my paste and use a healthy amount which helps it stay sticky and moist, a very important factor in our dry cold winters.
Victoria
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Brandy (GUEST)
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/16/2009 03:00 PM
I've not tried the Aqua Net in the white can, but i'm going to now.
I've had great luck with spray hair gel... but heres the trick, a little is great and it seems like a lot would be even better but it's when i've used too much that the paste peels off like a sticker. So try using the hair gel very sparingly.
I've got some Garnier spray gel that has been working well (i usually buy whatever they have at the dollar store) I've also used my husbands Got2be spiking glue spray for when i sleep in my henna. That stuff is practically bullet-proof. It comes in a big yellow aerosol can, it sprays on easy and dries fast, I usually do 2 coats and then go to bed. I haven't tried it on clients yet, but it works great on me.
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LisaLopez (GUEST)
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/23/2009 12:08 AM
Ok,so I've tried all these sealing techniques.It seems if the glue/gel/spray sealers are used there is just no way the stain will be as dark as if the henna is wrapped with lemon sugar. Perhaps it's best to leave the choice up to the client and/or the situation in which one is slinging?
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LisaLopez
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/26/2009 08:04 PM
I did a carnival this past weekend, and came loaded with gilding and glitter. I'd tested glue/water seal over a gilded design, and it holds about 24 hours or so. I though EVERYONE was going to want it. NOT!
After the first few shiny gold pieces went off, a Muslim friend came to have henna, then had her daughter got it, and neither one wanted the glitz. They wanted to be wrapped. After that the rest of the crowd in line all wanted to get sugared and be wrapped with cotton and plastic, too! How funny is that! I thought it would be all about the glitter and such.
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LisaLopez
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/28/2009 08:55 PM
but the glue doesn't stay on without peeling after a couple of hours-perhaps the desert climate. Next I'm trying Magic Mix and New Skin...I suspect that will be the best here.
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LisaLopez
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 10/29/2009 11:05 PM
hmmm. not good news. I am not finding the new skin spray here. Now you've got me thinking
I shall try a double layer of cotton when wrapping so the sweat doesn't make the design run.
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Tess (GUEST)
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/08/2009 06:20 PM
I'd suggest using golden corn syrup in your henna instead of sugar, I use that and the henna does not come off, unless I scrub it off, and I sleep with it on, unwrapped, and wake up without henna in my bed.
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LisaLopez
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/08/2009 09:10 PM
oooo sounds good. I'll give it a try on a tiny sample.
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kendraw00
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/09/2009 12:00 PM
Tess and or Lisa (Since you said you would test it)
Does the corn syrup affect the stain at all? What is your ratio of it to henna powder?
Thanks, cuz I'm curious now ;)
Kendra
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Blurberrybuzz
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/10/2009 01:29 PM
enough fructose in my paste and I have the same result as the golden corn syrup. It sticks like mad and is a pain to get off the next day. I had some on my foot for two days cause I was too lazy to scrape it. I've heard that brown sugar will also make a nice sticky paste. Part of the great result does have to do with your climate though...
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kellyle
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/11/2009 07:20 AM
Victoria-where do you get your fructose? how much do you add?
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LisaLopez
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/12/2009 09:46 AM
Haven't had a chance to try the corn syrup yet. I am desperate to find a happy medium between the glue sealers which always peel off at the edges and creases after an hour or so (no matter the dilution with water or not) and the lemon-sugar wrapped with cotton and plastic or just cotton and covered with a sock (which creates a sweat and then lose the intricacies of the design.) Leaving just the paste stains well but not as well as the lemon-cotton-plastic.
Perhaps a bit of fructose against a bit of corn syrup to test...
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LadyTetsu
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/12/2009 11:52 AM
I dunno, plain table sugar has been working like mad for me lately - I just bumped the ratio up for winter, and did the lj/wrap thing. . . but after I peeled off the sticky lj towel, NONE of the paste came off. I still have paste on today from last night's unwrapping. . . I've also just gotten hooked on the self-sticky ace bandage stuff. . . using that over your lj/paper towel is totally reusable on yourself, and still cheap and adjustable for major clients.
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LisaLopez
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/12/2009 11:58 AM
Tetsu-did yo say towel? paper towel? I' ve been wondering about lj//cotton/and ace bandage. Or body wraps that spas use.It's just so darn dry here in NM, I might like pastes that wont come off without effort. Esp. if they leave good stain. I also would like to be able to use the paints with no wrapping.
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hennatrails
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/12/2009 12:04 PM
I am a big ace bandage fan, love them! I also use lemon juice sugar spray, but have found with the KISS formula, my paste sticks quite well already, even without the sealant spray. But I do know weather is a big factor. I live in a very hot/dry area. You have to actively scrape my henna paste off, but I use lemon juice to loosen my paste lately, for ease. Ace bandages work like a dream for me.
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LadyTetsu
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/12/2009 12:26 PM
Lisa, yep, paper towel. I do like wrapping, it seriously seems to help me out, mostly becasue I can't sleep still to save my life. :) I do thusly. . . put on my paste, let it get to the drying, but not crackling off stage. With the extra sugar, it never really cracks, but it needs to be set so it won't smear. Then I run into the loo, pull off enough TP to cover the pattern, and gently lay it on. THEN I spray my lj/sugar seal, since the tp is already down it absorbs right onto my skin and makes a good shield. Then I slap a paper towel over the top of that sticky mess, and wrap my safely covered pattern in my reusable ace bandage.
I do all this on myself, and rarely if ever on a client, which is sad, but the folks I do all seem to stain better than me. I just don't stain for pot in the cool months becasue I have Reynaud's, so I have to leave it on forever and really keep it warm. Plus, like I said, I run marathons in my sleep, so I get goobies and crumbles bad. Brides will get wrapped like this if they want, of course. For festivals, I just paste, poof, and go. It's not my paste, it's just my me that won't stain.
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LisaLopez
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/13/2009 10:04 PM
ahhh. I was feeling guilt at fests cause I couldn't get the glue stuff to work without peeling. But now, i
I have perfected the super terp paste and have before me on my hands the evidence that it will stain as well as l/s wrapped henna!! NO more worries. I have also found and purchased fructose to try, but Im not sure about using corn syrup with vanilla flavor or the dark kind full of food coloring and preservatives.
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Sophia
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Re: sealing with glue/hair gel?
Posted on: 11/16/2009 06:43 PM
I'm in Florida, so a damper climate then most of you probably, but I've been using the "cheapie" hair spray for a few months or so now and I LOVE it. It doesn't flake or pull on the henna for me, probably because of the humidity. I used to mess with sugar and lemon but it was always drippy or runny or attracted bugs when the kids went outside (I use my kids to practice on all the time). Also, when they'd sleep with it, there was the issue of lemon/sugar/henna crumbles in the sheets needing to be washed out. I now do 1-3 coats of the hairspray, and on the more elaborate designs I wrap in strips of cloth afterward. The cloth is not practical for use in public, but on self and family it's easier, cheaper and more 'green' to reuse that then the rolls of tissue paper and plastic wrap I used to use.
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