Re: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-)

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Posted by Robert on September 19, 2001 at 14:50:57:

In reply to: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-) posted by Maureen on September 19, 2001 at 03:59:16:

God help you all. If you think praying is going to help you against
terrorist. And shame on you for implying that USA is some sort of way
responsible for the deaths that occurred last week, that you bombed
yourself. Shame. When a person says the United States "had it
coming," what he or she means is that murder is a morally appropriate
rejoinder to a perceived slight or injustice. To imply that
bringing to justice people like Mussolini, Hitler, bin Laden, people
who wish to exterminate whole cultures, to say that to go to war to
save the Jews from concentration camps is the definition of
stupidity, well that is a stunning comment.

Praying for the dead and wounded: of course. But praying will not
stop the killing Maureen. Bullying and prejudices against people
because of religion, colour, sexual orientation, et cetera did not
just start last week. It has been around forever. And it is really
an issue that must be dealt with; is being dealt with. But we know –
we the people of the free world, the people of democratic societies,
we know that prayers will not stop that incarnate of evil that is
people like bin Laden, or Carlos the Jackal.

Vengeance is always a base desire; in this case it is also
impractical. We obviously wouldn't wipe out an equal number of
innocent civilians -- not if we wished to be just, and not if we
wished to retain the moral high ground. And if we limited ourselves
to taking out Osama bin Laden, we should find such retaliation
neither commensurate with the wrong done to us, nor effective in
preventing future atrocities. Culpable though he may be in this
attack, and critical as he undoubtedly is to the terrorist cause
generally, there are plenty more where he came from. We must fight a
war against all terrorist.

No one wants any of this. But September 11 should convince us that an
all-out confrontation with international terrorism is unavoidable;
that the threat is not manageable, but mortal; that the old
adage, "kill or be killed," has acquired a terrible relevance. Today
I will pray. I will pray that there is enough resolve in the people
of the free world to stand up to these cowards who murder innocents
with terrorist acts. Today I will pray the your President Bush and
his allies will do whatever is required so my children can live
without the fear of be attacked by terrorist while going to work, to
school.

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Re: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-) Kenzi 00:11:00 9/20/2001 (6)
- Re: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-) Robert 17:26:36 9/20/2001 (5)
  - Re: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-) Kenzi 18:01:06 9/20/2001 (4)
    - Re: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-) WHO IS THIS KENZI? SHE HAS NO IDEA 14:32:45 10/2/2001 (0)
    - Re: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-) Is that sarcasim A lurker 18:06:25 9/28/2001 (0)
    - Please reply Robert 16:57:52 9/24/2001 (0)
    - Perhaps the BBC can explain it better than I can Kenzi 22:49:31 9/20/2001 (0)
Re: It will take a lot of hands to pull heads out of dark places Kenzi! :-) Maureen 19:50:42 9/19/2001 (0)

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: God help you all. If you think praying is going to help you against : terrorist. And shame on you for implying that USA is some sort of way : responsible for the deaths that occurred last week, that you bombed : yourself. Shame. When a person says the United States "had it : coming," what he or she means is that murder is a morally appropriate : rejoinder to a perceived slight or injustice. To imply that : bringing to justice people like Mussolini, Hitler, bin Laden, people : who wish to exterminate whole cultures, to say that to go to war to : save the Jews from concentration camps is the definition of : stupidity, well that is a stunning comment. : : Praying for the dead and wounded: of course. But praying will not : stop the killing Maureen. Bullying and prejudices against people : because of religion, colour, sexual orientation, et cetera did not : just start last week. It has been around forever. And it is really : an issue that must be dealt with; is being dealt with. But we know – : we the people of the free world, the people of democratic societies, : we know that prayers will not stop that incarnate of evil that is : people like bin Laden, or Carlos the Jackal. : : Vengeance is always a base desire; in this case it is also : impractical. We obviously wouldn't wipe out an equal number of : innocent civilians -- not if we wished to be just, and not if we : wished to retain the moral high ground. And if we limited ourselves : to taking out Osama bin Laden, we should find such retaliation : neither commensurate with the wrong done to us, nor effective in : preventing future atrocities. Culpable though he may be in this : attack, and critical as he undoubtedly is to the terrorist cause : generally, there are plenty more where he came from. We must fight a : war against all terrorist. : : No one wants any of this. But September 11 should convince us that an : all-out confrontation with international terrorism is unavoidable; : that the threat is not manageable, but mortal; that the old : adage, "kill or be killed," has acquired a terrible relevance. Today : I will pray. I will pray that there is enough resolve in the people : of the free world to stand up to these cowards who murder innocents : with terrorist acts. Today I will pray the your President Bush and : his allies will do whatever is required so my children can live : without the fear of be attacked by terrorist while going to work, to : school.
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